Illustrator Reacts to Good and Bad Comic Book Art

Illustrator Reacts to Good and Bad Comic Book Art


Kind of just looks like a bowling ball.
The fabric wouldn’t dip into her butt crack like that. Oh boy. But this is just
gorgeous. That’s right another person jumping in on the trend of professional
whatevers reacting to good and bad stuff in their own profession. I love
watching the Corridor Crew react to good and bad special effects and I’ve loved
watching LegalEagle talk about good things and issues in It’s Always Sunny
in Philadelphia’s court episodes and I figured, hey, I’ve technically been a
professional illustrator and animator for seven years now, so I want to go over
some different comic pages and panels and talk about what went really right
and sometimes what went not so right. Oh boy okay so for context this image was
drawn by Rob Liefeld who is the creator of Deadpool and is a self-taught artist.
He got into working at Marvel by being purely self-taught but because of that
it means he didn’t really get a traditional education in anatomy and
that has led to some pretty janky Anatomy in a bunch of his artwork and
this is easily the most famously janky image he’s done.
You could almost fix it by just pushing Captain America’s head forward like it
wouldn’t make it perfect but right now it kind of looks like his his back and
shoulders are lined up straight like this and his chest is like this like his
body is this shape somehow instead of being all in line. But the thing is when
you’re working for someone else and you’re on someone else’s deadlines if
you have to get something done even if you’re part way through and you realize
it’s not great you kind of just have to finish it and send it in and I want to
think that this is one of those times where that’s kind of what happened I
don’t know that that’s the case but I want to give the guy the benefit of the
doubt because the fact of the matter is he is objectively a better artist than
99% of people on the planet also again let’s remember if it wasn’t for Rob
I felt we wouldn’t have Deadpool so let’s go easy on the guy in spite of the
fact that he also he also drew this wedge this to me is his works where is
his hands are just like melting into his side I don’t know if there was supposed
to be more text down there to block stuff so that it wouldn’t matter but
kind of just looks like a bowling ball also his armpit looks like a bubble they
sorry to be crass but it’s true but talking about Anatomy issues let’s move
on to one of my favorite artists Umberto Ramos his art is so stylish and in a way
where his Anatomy on his characters looks broken a lot of the time but in a
way where it’s stylistically done on purpose like he’s making it broken on
purpose and when you look at his work you can kind of tell that like in this
image here spider-man’s back is ridiculously big like his lats are huge
and his waist is really tiny and the perspective is being forced a lot to
make it he just looks warped but it like the
anatomy doesn’t look busted in a way where it’s an artist who doesn’t know
what they’re doing actually know what I think I would actually kind of
interesting I’m gonna pull up one of his comics scrub through it and try to find
a panel that I don’t like okay you know is it what’s right here so this image
here halfway down the page where we’ve got Nova shouting this background to me
doesn’t work for Humberto Ramos as art and this probably wasn’t him this was
probably the colorist doing this but this background just looks like they
took a photograph and added like like a fast blur on it and because Humberto
Ramo says art is so the lines are so sharp this kind of just feels weird like
it could I see the idea because there is high contrast between the sharp line
work and the sharp coloring and the faded background so you really do focus
on Nova and just don’t think the to blend that well together and again if
you disagree with anything I’m saying to let me know in the comments and tell
me your opinion because a lot of the stuff I’m talking about even though I do
know illustration pretty well a lot of it is kind of just my bias and what I
like seeing out of comic book art this is this is just so unsettling to look at
I mean the pose the but then to the neck and like I guess to be fair I’ve
probably seen spider-man in this exact pose but like in this style I just don’t
think it really works and the neck feels so offset that the nose is so tiny and
it because like most of this the proportions of the body it kind of feels
like it’s going for a sort of painterly realistic kind of style and not super
comic-book II so this awkward kind of broken pose in that style just to me
doesn’t work and really just looking at the face like the nose is so tiny the
lips are really big and unusual and and just how form-fitting the fabric is
across the body and I know that’s a thing with comics I mean with comic book
art pretty much every character is just wearing skin tight outfits and like a
lot of the time you can see abs in a way that you wouldn’t be able to see through
fabric but in a style like this it just feels so unusual to see the fabric going
so far into her butt crack like that cuz like I mean here look this is a
pretty tight shirt so I can probably give a good example like pretend my
knuckles here are the butt and when they’re being spread apart like her butt
cheeks are being spread apart in that image the fabric isn’t suddenly dipping
right down and form-fitting against my knuckle like it is dipping down a bit
but it’s not going down that sharply and weirdly and again you can push stuff in
comics like it’s all fictional you can stylize your art to make that seem
reasonable but I think it was an odd choice on Marvel’s part to get me
Luminara to do this piece because I’m not super familiar with his work but
from what I’ve seen he largely does like erotica kindness
and in an age when comic book companies have been making an effort to make a lot
of their female characters less sexualized and less of like the
girlfriend and nothing else it’s really weird to get an artist who specializes
in erotica kind of stuff to do your cover first I believe this was like a
rebooted Spider Woman number-one comic from I’m no five between five and ten
years ago yeah well that was a weird choice on Marvel’s part this is gorgeous
Francis Mann poles art is fantastic it’s really stylish and this panel itself how
everything is kind of I like to refer to the term toilet bowl like everything is
just kind of a toilet I mean that makes it sound like a bad thing that’s not how
I mean it but like everything is just swirling down into the middle onto the
focal point that we’re supposed to focus on and it’s just Oh gorgeous I love the
composition of this page is it’s simple but it’s just it’s beautiful and the
colors are just really nice I believe in this case he wasn’t doing his own
coloring and inking whoever he was working with knew his art well enough to
to bring his style through in the inking and coloring and that’s another thing
for people that don’t know the comic book industry that well when you’re
working for a company like Marvel or DC a lot of the times the person doing the
pencil layouts the the actual drawings isn’t the one that’s inking and coloring
there’s usually three people doing all that and then a letter as well in a lot
of cases just so stylish you you can’t look at something Kenneth Roquefort to
draw on any of his work and not go wow this is so stylish like just my favorite
thing about this page is just the the fire and smoke it’s so weirdly done but
works so well in Rockford style like and just the way it’s so like
unrealistically completely unrealistically circling around
Supergirl and like encasing her and making us focus more on her and it’s got
a little smoke almost arrows pointing at her even even the
panels are basically just like arrow is pointing us towards her and I just love
with Kenneth Rock for its art I almost look at it more thinking about the
graphic design of it and less the actual illustrations cuz he’s always got those
cool shapes around his panels and he just works weird shapes into his art all
over the place that just looks so cool and make everything such a style that’s
so niche to just him and now the admittedly the only thing I’d say
against this page and maybe it’s because I’m reading it out of context but I I
don’t exactly know what order he wants us to read these panels in like it
doesn’t really matter that much because it feels like the whole point is we’re
supposed to be looking at this awesome image of supergirls because even
Clarke’s eyes are kind of looked in that direction and that last panel of him but
I don’t totally know if the third panel we’re supposed to look at is her or that
headshot of Clarke if a comic page is laid out well as it’s supposed to be
your eye will go through the story exactly the way that the artists want
and you won’t even be thinking about it you should never have to think about
where you’re supposed to look next if you are then the artists have done
something wrong and that’s not something I frequently find with Kenneth Rucker
for its art his he’s really good with his page layouts it’s this is probably
just a case where it’s because I’m looking at this page out of context look
at this and it is like if you explained this image to me without me ever having
seen it I would think it was such a weird idea for a Batman cover I mean
it’s like first of all something that should be pointed out if it’s not
obvious as this is a reference to the very first comic book cover appearance
from Batman Detective Comics 27 that’s a this right here and like if you just
told me okay we’ve got Batman swinging and a bright yellow and pink sky in the
background characters in the foreground are very
purple the building below him a pretty stark saturated blue all of
that to me just sounds like what you’ve got a bright yellow and pink background
for Batman but this is just gorgeous as much as I love Greg polos work the
inking is fantastic by Danny Mickey the story is fantastic by Scott Snyder the
thing that stands out most to me in this whole run is FCO placencia coloring it’s
just such a bizarre concept that works so fantastically well I’m so sorry that
I’m butchering the pronunciation of your name
okay wait actually I’m gonna go over one more artist because I feel like I can’t
do this video without talking about some art by Jim leave who is the first comic
book artist whose name I actually knew besides maybe Mark Bagley but Jim Lee
has some of the most iconic comic art out there like I think even non comic
book fans have all seen that poster of Batman standing on a gargoyle looking
straight out over Gotham he’s an absolutely fantastic artist and I loved
all his work but something someone recently pointed out to me is that he
will do anything he can to avoid drawing feet and I’m I’ve never noticed that
myself so what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna go into Google Images search Jim Lee
comic cover and I’m gonna look at the first five covers and see what the ratio
of people to feet is okay let’s see this first ones a Fantastic Four cover I’m
not familiar with that’s definitely some of his older work probably from the
early 90s oh yeah like that we got five characters
in there and no feet none at all all again we got feet in this one black
widows feeder out of it Wolverine one of his feet is there one of them’s hiding
behind a stair or a step of some kind Captain America you kind of see one and
a half of his feet let’s say we can see both of Captain America’s feet so we’ve
got two covers eight people three feet so far oh there we go look at that
Harley Quinn and Batman both of them got all her feet in four extra feet still
not a great ratio oh boy okay now this is a very iconic cover it’s from when
Justice League was being relaunched in the new 52 the very first issue well
look at this look at this we got one two three four five six seven the seven are
united and none of them have their feet shellin he legit drew seven people
nobody’s feet are showing in this case I think that’s kind of fair this doesn’t
feel like anything was being forced so that people’s feet were hidden and we
got I don’t know if I’ll count the Doomsday’s as as people so let’s just
sit I mean I guess the kind of well let’s say we got three more characters
none of them have feet either and I think was that four or five I think that
was four and then we got picture of Superman speeder showing so here we go
he’s not always hiding feet he’s one of the best artists in the industry he
obviously knows how to draw feet they are surprisingly more complicated to
draw them a lot of other things which is weird like hands I get because drawing
hands a lot of artists find hands hard to draw including me and every artist
I’ve ever met because it’s like drawing a whole nother
person in terms of limbs like your average person has four limbs but then
drawing hands it’s like having to draw another ten tiny limbs because a lot of
the time your fingers aren’t all pointed in the same direction like this like if
I’m doing a simple drawing I’ll often draw the hands kinda like this so I can
simplify it a bit but a lot of time your hands are doing things like this and
this and look at all the complicated angles and perspectives you got to draw
the fingers in can be a real mess anyway regardless of what I’ve said about the
artists that I’ve talked about today whether I was talking about good artwork
of theirs bad artwork of theirs or both I have a huge amount of respect for all
of these artists they’re all absolutely incredible becoming that great at
illustrating takes years and years of intense practice
I hope I’m on any of their level someday and hopefully someday I’ll watch a
YouTube video where some punk kid that doesn’t know what he’s talking about is
laying into my artwork that’s how I’ll know I’ve made it alright everybody
thank you so much for watching this a little bit weird episode of pop cross
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100 thoughts on “Illustrator Reacts to Good and Bad Comic Book Art

  1. bad but very popular artwork. that's Rob LIefeld. also, he took some art classes and he was hired by DC to work on Hawk and Dove, he worked for Marvel next.also, the wonder woman drawing at 1:11 was by Mike Deodato Jr., not Liefeld.

  2. The Milo Manara's Spider Woman cover was actually controversial, you can read an interview with him here:

    https://www.comicsbeat.com/milo-manara-speaks-in-english-and-reaches-out-to-the-farms-of-oregon-and-maine/

  3. What happened to the John Byrne late-80's early-90's realistic-but-clearly-comic-book style? It seems that for like a decade or two almost everything is either stylisized to such an extreme that it looks like a parody, or alternatively that uncanny valley airbrush-looking computer-colored style that doesn't look much like a comic book anymore, or something that just outright sucks.

  4. 2:35 it looks like badrock (assuming its badrock) was drawn by like a young female 13 year old artist who just started drawing full bodies

    The bottom gets more more pinched and the arms and legs looked glued together and strangely wobbly

  5. i like your videos and the way you actually try to see the good and the bad from the style and paintings, and inking of the illustrator you critic.
    But i also see that the way you're criticizing is influenced by what you really love and know. Praising the works of some american authors while seeing the bad in others while you can feel it's really a completely different feelings. Like Milo manara (i love his art so i'm not objectiv) i feel his erotism in his art but i also like the fact that even if the girls are sexy he also make them strong and actually proud of what they are.

    While the illustration of flash you praised so much, i see why you like it and why it's such a good illustration but still, it feels soooo simple in a way. and the illustration feels more like a publicity more than a cover, or a page from a comic book.

    i don't know if i'm saying it correctly and if i'm clear in what i'm telling but all i can say is i would like to hear more from you but it also feel really personnal.

  6. Kenneth Rocafort's run on redhood was a m a z I n g he's my favorite character I was sooo glad he took charge on it!

  7. You dont like that picture of the chick with the fabric up her butt because you're clearly not into females at all.. lol.. come out if the closet and you wont be as judgemental

  8. at 6:34; apparently you've never seen thicc twerkers desperate for Instagram followers.
    Allow me to present to you….. Exhibit A; https://media.giphy.com/media/XfUbyGXmbICiwmoeqm/giphy.gif

  9. Liefeld sucks at feet not Lee. He's honestly an subpar artist (in the realm of greats) that made an overtly popular character.

  10. To be a better artist than 99% of people on the planet, you can still be worse than every professional artist in the world.

  11. Let the artist express their work, comic book is not an anatomy class. Jim Lee, Tod, Greg, Rob Marc, Travis, Michael Turner … in that era artist have their own style to express the story in comic, and their story telling. They had make a revolution in american comic style.

    Captain America by Rob Liefield, you should shame correcting the anatomy of other artist work (art), in that illustration anatomy is not the point.

    I believe Rob have a fans that can feel the spirit, the powerful captain america from that illustration, but since you critisize it what do you think happen to the artist feeling and the fans.

    Please make a good video that can cheering up the illustration world or comic art, I know you love to read comic too. And become a great artist with your work… not criticize other comic artist work.

  12. That Captain America is Rob Liefeld being very cynical about comics. That was the heroes reborn run some of the former marvel artisists like Jim Lee got to work on. They had free reign to retell the origins of certain characters. Just take a look at what I mean from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaJhpqAWjuE
    Basically Rob was just saying he can get away with it no problem, he still famous so it don't matter how bad his anatomy can get, you do what sells and create hype to market your product in the market place. Capitalism manipulates people to do things in a market place in a very condescending manner because it's just a game to be gamed with people to funnel towards your product.

  13. Liefeld didn’t really create Deadpool, he taught of the character design and had another guy create his character. That’s why Deadpool character design is contradictory to his character.

  14. I really like the Flash and the Supergirl pages a lot, they really look gorgeous 😊 I also can understand the issues people have with drawing hands and feet – been having those too here 😅 And male anatomy has always been an enigma to me – females are just so much easier to draw. So shoutout and applause to all the great artists out there 👏👏👏

  15. Jim Lee's 90's X-men where he used smoke to cover some feet and the way he did the tiny ankles was just used because that style was popular at the time. Jim 100% nailed down and learned how to draw anatomy and figures, even if his poses are heavy and stylized. Rob could draw as proven in his Hawk and Dove work but he became very lazy during X-force and sacrificed improving because the style he was using worked and made him successful. Very good business man, good stylizedcomic artist but bad draughtsman and storyteller. His style was perfect for Image comics brand and had a lot of imitators. Some of Jim's poses around that time had a little bit of Liefeld influence but Jim did experiment a lot during that period like pieces he did with Tim Sale on Deathblow. Jim's solid and consistent anatomy grounding and style is what made his work stand out by a mile, even to this day. I still look back at his Punisher and X-men work before the the 1991 series and still blown away. I personally prefer the work he did on X-men X-tinction agenda than the later series. Scott Williams also deserves a lot of credit.

  16. I understand that you corrected it in the next video but how young are you? To not know the difference between Jim Lee tropes and liefeld tropes, who gets these two artists mixed up ever? Next you'll be telling me you don't know the difference between Todd McFarlane and Erik Larson

  17. I've honestly never heard of Jim Lee hiding feet, though it seems sorta true given your examples. I think the one who's famous for trying really hard to avoid feet is Rob Liefeld though, but his case is a lot more obvious, because he apparently tends to draw random rocks, clouds of dust, or overlapping characters just to hide them. And when he does draw feet, they're just tiny

  18. 5:30 Google butt crack yoga. see women wearing yoga pants that go all the way splitting the cheeks. Sometimes fabrics can go down the valley. in fact i have noticed a lot of women clothes have been designed to do so. to highlight the breasts with their own individual shapes to appear more appealing. and thanks to the google search above you will see that yoga pants have done the same. Hell wearing skin tight clothes for gymnastics left all my bits on display as a kid. and i mean detailed enough that you could see muscle groups in my legs and arms.

  19. I'm an animation student as well but,
    Haven't you heard of hungry butt?
    Her ass is eating her costume.
    And dat booty so big , it's still pinchin' even if she bent over.

  20. Fucking SJW cuck. I could find 1000 Spider-man pics almost identical to that Spider-Woman pic….but you go for those woke points, you soy boy you. Though I hate to tell you, chicks actually don't take Woke Points in exchange for sex, as you libtards seem to think.

  21. Just think when drawing, you're drawing clothes on people, not clothes-coloured people….also I got really worried at that buttcrack example when he first mentioned it 😂😂

  22. That Captain America drawing was apparently Marvel forcing Liefeld to actually draw Cap.

    He's got a propensity for taking credit for other people's art.

  23. I mean, sure, Rob Liefeld may be a better artist than 99% of the people on the planet, but he's still worse than 99% of artists, so…

    And besides, you have to account for the fact that the vast majority of people on the planet (say, about 99%) aren't trying to be artists. If they were, most of them would become better artists than Liefeld pretty quickly.

    So no, I'm not going to take it easy on him. He's a garbage artist.

  24. 1. Its Liefeld. Nobody complained about his art when I was growing up, because he came in at a time when Marvel was being too anatomically correct with no sense of style between artists.

    2. Go to 24Hr Fitness. There is always a girl with form fitting leggings like the spider woman. These types of leggings are designed that way so that the crotch-seam disappears into women's asses (well, those women that have asses).

    3. The Supergirl image has a very Greg Capullo-ish style in terms of the flames and smoke.

    4. Whoever complaining about Jim Lee not drawing feet has a foot fetish.

    5. Lastly, I think the most popular hand drawing in comics just to avoid drawing them is the infamous fist pose.

    6. Bonus. The younger generation doesn't understand Stan Lee was a dick. Marvel's policy was that if you work for them, you forfeit all creative rights to your characters. Google the video of Stan Lee, a young Todd McFarlane and young Rob Liefeld creating a character called "Overkill." Listen to how Stan refers to the character. Then look at the first few issues of Spawn and you will see Overkill again. A little while later, his name is changed to "Overtkill."

  25. I’m a self taught artist but I’m a perfectionist so my proportions aren’t as bad as captain chesticles and bowling ball man , But because im a perfectionist I can’t upload my art without extreme anxiety .

  26. IIRC that Liefeld thingy of Cap at the start does actually serve some use as it apparently shows what winged humanoid types would look like if drawn anatomically correctly. Thank god no-one does. Although it would be kinda funny to see winged person using their chest muscles to kill a villain by crushing said villain's head against some lump of indestructium/batshitcrazystrongium/ohforfuckssakesthisisabsurdium/vibranium that is almost inevitably in play at the time

  27. The comment about Manara's work – Manara being a genius – is a bad one. If the two major issues are the extreme form-fitting fabric and that the industry in the States is avoiding this type of image, that's no criticism at all. He is simply one of the greatest artists of comic books, and his drawing there is just exact. If one doesn't like it, one doesn't like it. But that is not about quality, it's about taste.

  28. 5:20 she looks like she has a long neck that twists upwards so you can see her face. And it's probably just the mask, but the eyes don't make that imagery any less creepy.

  29. 4:54 now that’s America’s ass 👀
    In one of your vids you said someone took inspiration from porn stars. You sure it wasn’t this artist as well? 😳

  30. your over-expressive, schmaltzy face and voice are intolerable, and your skills are inferior to the work you critique. what a waste of everyone's time

  31. Maybe you could do these comics starring batgirl Cassandra Cain batgirl redemption batgirl Silent knight batgirl fist of fury batgirl death wish batgirl a knight alone I just love the comics she is the main character and I would like what you think of the art

  32. As an unsold illustrator, Could U send some pictures. I have been drawing for over 30 years, but got no response. I cannot afford computer programs or a tablet to put my designs on CPU except thru scanning. I created a comic series 30 years ago, but since i didn't finish art school, they dropped it. I also do electrical/ mech designs as well. Feet are always difficult cause os what they wear..

  33. Damn it! I went from Ultimate Alliance 3 video reviews to this!
    I'm a hobbyist artist and this makes me want to improve my art more!
    But I waited years for an Ultimate Alliance 3…

  34. I think it is this glossy modern coloring which kinda breaks some of these. In 90s limited color-palette and toned down hues gave some more room for inking to shine.

  35. just came across this vid and am very interested in the small group of pics behind your monitor. what are those tiny drawings is there a place i can get a close up? thanks

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