– [Kristina] Hi, everyone! Kristina here, welcome to another video at my YouTube channel. I’m gonna cut right to the chase here. This is a video kind of experimenting with black card stock and white embossing. I have experienced a lot recently, and I’ve had a lot of people
around me question things about getting really good results with small words that are heat embossed on black card stock or any
dark surface that you’re using. So I thought I would do a little
bit of an experiment today. These are four types of black card stock that are in my craft room. I’ve got four different types. I’m gonna test all four and see if there’s any different results and I’m also going to
test two different methods when heating up the embossing pattern. So first I’m gonna talk
about the card stocks, because you’ll notice one of them is a much more deep black than the others. That’s the Hero Arts one right here. It’s their Hero Hues Black. It’s a Black Night, black. I can’t remember what it is, what the name of it is, but it’s the new Hero Arts premium card stock. It is so intense black, and it’s also much thicker than the other ones here. I don’t know, I really love it. I only have a few sheets of it. I just ordered a bunch. It was out of stock for a long, long time at Simon Says Stamp, but
it’s back in stock now as of yesterday. I ordered a bunch. And they also have it at
the Hero Arts website. So you can order directly from them if you really love this card stock. But I wanted to go over these. So I’ve got Gina K Black Onyx, Hero Arts. I have, if I can pick this
up with my nails here, the Simon Says Stamp Black, and then I also have
the Bazzill Card Shoppe Licorice Twist, but I do
have to mention something about the Bazzill one. This is a pack that I bought probably four or five months ago. And then this paper, I did a swatch chart, and this was, I don’t know,
maybe a couple years ago. I know it’s Bazzill ’cause it’s still got the Bazzill strip on the bottom here that says Bazzill. But there is a color difference. I don’t know if you guys’ll
be able to see that, but there is a color difference. This is supposed to be
the same card stock. So I’m not sure if it’s
just a production run issue, but there is. There’s a difference in color. It used to be much more intense. I mean, not quite as
dark as the Hero Arts, but darker than what is
currently on the market. So I’m not sure what
the deal with with that. I might have to order some maybe directly from them,
see if there’s a difference. So I don’t know. Just something to note. All right, I’ve grabbed my Mini MISTI. Haven’t used this mini one in a while. I grabbed it just because these are smaller pieces of card stock. I’m not gonna need a
big, huge MISTI for this. All right, the second card stock I’m gonna be using is from Gina K. I’m going to be using the
Tiny Words Birthday Stamp set from Simon Says Stamp. And I’ve chosen a greeting that has a bolded first line and then very, very small words for the subsequent four lines of text. So I’m just going to put
that stamp right there. Use an anti-static powder tool just to help with the
embossing as much as I can. And then I’m using VersaMark Ink. I’m only going to stamp
this one each time. It’s a gentle press, not too much. The embossing pattern I’m using today is Brutus Monroe Alabaster. That’s the one I always use. And just to keep it consistent, that’s the one I’ll be testing with today. All right, my two methods of embossing. The first method I’m going to do is completely all from the top. The second method is I’m going to heat from the bottom first,
and then come to the top. I had a, or I heard a tip
on Facebook a while back that when you’re embossing on black or a dark surface card stock, you can help eliminate
that kind of mottled, kind of melting into the paper look by embossing from the back first, because it melts the bottom surface. And then you emboss the top. That just helps all those, all the embossing powder from absorbing. So this first method I’m going to be using just from the top. I’m also gonna heat up
my heat tool a little bit before going to this first one. And then when I go through
the rest of the examples, the different card stocks, my heat tool will
already be all heated up. Okay, that has pretty great results. I don’t really have an issues with that. It looks great. All right, I’m gonna go
to the other card stocks and stamp the same thing. Hopefully you guys can see that. On this one, I think
it’s still pretty crisp, but I did have a few more little speckles of embossing powder kind of where they shouldn’t be. I don’t know if you guys can see that. But really, fairly close. This one is really clean. It turned out great. There is a little bit. I notice a little more
warping of the card stock as compared to the other two, but nothing too serious. I really like how this one turned out. It’s nice and crisp. All right, this one went okay. There was a little, about as much warping as the Simon Says Stamp paper, but I don’t have any real big complaints. It looks like there’s a couple little gaps in the embossing, but still really good overall. Before we move on to the
second method of embossing, I’m gonna use this stamp
set called Lots to Say from Concord & 9th. This is a little bit of a larger greeting and a little more bold. I just wanna see if that affects anything. Okay, still holding up pretty well. There is a little bit, I
don’t know if you can see on this Y over here. Oh, I’ve got embossing
powder on my finger. Some of the embossing powder isn’t completely filled in. There’s a little bit of gapping over here. It looks like it’s not quite
as solid as it could be. Next up we’ve got Licorice Twist. Okay, this one looks about
the same as the Gina K. There’s a couple little areas where it’s not filled in, but
for the most part, not bad. It might be showing a
little bit of the texture of the card stock. That’s why it’s not filling in as much. Maybe here’s a little bit more of that mottling look on the O over there. I’ll try to do some really up-close photos comparing everything at the end. This one, in comparison to the first two, seems like it’s a little more solid. There is a little bit of that mottling, but it just seems more
solid and more white. I don’t know if that really is the case, but my first impression, that’s what it seems like. Okay, this one seems,
there’s a couple little spots on the H right here and on the B where little areas have kind
of dropped out a little bit, but overall, not bad. I really like it. It looks really solid. All right, I’m going
to do a third greeting. This one is from Altenew’s
Leaf Canopy stamp set. It says that life is better with friends. I thought this would be
interesting because it has a very thin-lined font followed by one that has thick lines and thin lines, very, very thin lines. I thought it would be a good
testing greeting to use. So I’m gonna put that right there, and we’ll test this one out. Okay, I think this was a good one to test because you’re gonna see a big difference. The solid areas on the friends, there’s a lot of little pits and mottling in the greeting, like right in the white. It looks like I missed a
little bit of ink right there. That’s my bad. That’s nothing to do
with the embossing pad or the stamp, but interesting findings. So Gina K Black Onyx, for the most part, has been pretty good. I’m not enjoying how
this filled out, though. Okay, kind of the same issue on this one. The really solid areas
aren’t all filled in. So yeah, what can I say? It might just be the nature of the embossing powder. We’re gonna keep testing and find out. Okay, looks like I’m still
having issues with that H. I must not be pressing down all the way. There isn’t as much,
there aren’t as many pits in the solid white. I’m hoping you guys can see that. Can you see that? I have no idea. It’ll probably show in the photos at the end here, but a little bit better than how it looked on the previous two. Okay, I’d say this, the
little pitting or the spots is about on par with the
Simon Says stamp card stock. So still not perfect, but better than the
Gina K and the Bazzill. So there we go. All right, now we’re gonna test that other method. I’ve gotten pretty good results with all of the stamps so far, nothing to shake your hat, fist at. But I am going to test these now using that other method
by heating from the back. I don’t know if you guys, I don’t notice a huge difference. They look about the same to me. I think this one is a
little bit more solid, the one from the front. But the one from the
back is equally as good. I don’t think it really matters on this really small grade. This is a really static,
clingy card stock. I don’t know what the deal is. It’s having issues. Okay, from the bottom. Okay, well, I think I had some
major stamping issues there. I think that’s on me. The embossing itself is mch more softened as compared to from the top. So in this case, I think
from the front wins. Okay, I hope you guys can see this. It seems like a little bit more of it is melting into the
card stock than up here. It’s a little bit sharper up here. From the front is
winning on this one, too. Okay, I think it’s the
same one with this one. There are some areas that are melting into the card stock more than before. So I think heating from underneath and then finishing up
on top is just too much. So I think that’s the issue there. Okay, I don’t see a big
difference in this one. It seems about the same. By the way, I’ve gotten a
new EK Success Powder Tool in the last few weeks. They changed the scent of the powder. I really like it. It sorta smells like a cologne or a perfume of some sort. It doesn’t smell like baby powder anymore. Like I found out before, the Bazzill does not do
well from underneath. So no on that one. This one’s about the same. The Simon Says Stamp
Black is about the same. I don’t see a huge difference in results from overhead to underneath. They’re about the same. Like I noticed with the previous greeting from heating underneath and
then over on top as well, I get more of that mottled,
melted into the card stock. I think this one looks better. This one’s definitely brighter. All right, for this last one, which was the life is better with friends from Altenew, I’m gonna try
something a little bit different ’cause I think across the board, the two methods of embossing, it’s pretty much the same, maybe not quite as good when you do the underneath. So for this last one, I’m going
to change it up a little bit and I’m going to stamp the stamp twice to see if that really coats
the paper a little bit better, and I get the really solid
areas to stamp better than they did before. So I gonna prep the area,
ink up the stamp really well, and then I’m going to stamp this twice because you can, oh! My card stock moved. (laughing) Okay, we’ll stamp it along
this side here instead. Okay, I hope you guys can see the comparison between these two. It is much more filled in
when you stamp it twice. So I’m gonna use that method on all the other card
stocks and see what happens. Like on the Gina K card stock, stamping it twice did help
it get a better coverage in embossing powder. About the same results. Maybe a little bit better. Yeah, a little bit better
with double stamping. That’s Simon Says Stamp Black. Also has a little bit more solid areas, but almost the same. Okay, final conclusions. I would say the card stock that performed the best overall, I would have to say
Simon Says Stamp Black. That’s the one that
performed the best overall with the crispest type, the best solid areas, especially on the Friends from Altenew. I would say the one
that looks the messiest and for whatever reason just was, the embossing powder was grabbing onto it was the Bazzill Licorice Twist. As far as this, the right, and this, a deep blackish color that I just love has to go to Hero Arts. Theirs is just a much deeper black. Okay, so my theory, or what I’ve heard about embossing on the underside first and then going to the top, it didn’t really hold up. I think it’s kind of hit or miss. It just depends. What I did learn the most
when I was doing this was you need to move that heat tool off those areas as soon as they melt. You need to be fast about it. It’s almost better to under heat it and need to heat it a little bit more with a second pass than to overheat it on the first time. So that would be my tip for you guys, is to go really fast over the area. If that’s not quite melted, go over it again really fast because you don’t want to melt that area any more than it needs to be. All of these card stocks work great. I’ve used them all on
projects over the years, except for the Hero Arts. I haven’t used that one as much since it’s newer to my stash. But all of them are great. I think all of them would work. I think it really is probably, it probably comes down to your process. Make sure you use an
anti-static powder tool. In my case, I was using
EK Success Powder Tool. There’s also Embossing Buddy’s or embossing bags you can use. Make sure you use an
anti-static powder tool, keep your heating quick, and have a really good embossing powder. Some people don’t, they might not realize that embossing powder
can go bad over time. They don’t have an
expiration date, per se, but if you notice that
for some reason suddenly your embossing just
isn’t performing as well as it has been in the past, probably means you need to
update your embossing powder. Just get a new jar of it and
you should be good to go. The embossing powders
I really like to use, the one I’m using today, the Brutus Monroe Alabaster. I also really like Ranger
Ultra Fine, I think, or Detailed Fine. They have a white version
that’s really great, and the Hero Arts Embossing Powder is great as well. All of those I’ve used in the past, and I have no complaints. I think I actually have a jar of the Simon Says Stamp
Ultra Detailed White as well. I haven’t used it in a long time, so I can’t say for sure. I don’t think I had a complaint about it, so it’s probably good. Yeah, I think it’s more about
your process than anything. Hope that helped you guys out. Kind of inconclusive, I guess. Not a major winner in
one area or the other, but I think it just goes to show that embossing a very fine, detailed stamp that’s on white embossing powder on dark surfaces, it’s just one of those beastly types of things. You’re gonna have trouble
with it no matter what. I also have embossing powder
little bits everywhere. I think it’s unavoidable. It’s a powder. It just goes everywhere. You just have to deal with it. I hope you guys enjoyed today’s video. I’ve got three more videos on screen for you to check out if you want to kind of delve deeper in my YouTube channel, see some projects. And don’t forget to hit
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know you liked the video. And I will see you in
another video very soon. Thanks so much for watching, and I’ll catch you guys in the next video.

99 thoughts on “HEAT EMBOSSING WORDS ON BLACK CARDSTOCK – What is best?

  1. This video is BRILLIANT. I think all card makers have struggled with white embossing on black cardstock. Thank you for doing this legwork for us!

  2. So glad to see this. I thought it was just me that had issues with embossing. I didn’t think about the paper making a difference or that embossing powders don’t last forever.

  3. Your video was helpful to know that there are ways to improve our embossing skills (especially on black cardstock) but that minor "spots" may be inevitable. Thank you for sharing your tips!

  4. This is something I've noticed alot since starting my card journey a few years ago, kinda just thought it was me looking too close or doing something wrong… but thank you for actually doing this. Might seem like a weird video but it's actually helped ease my mind with all these issues! Thank you so much for doing this!

  5. Thank you for the test. This was really helpful. I have a scent sensitivity, so will not buy a new EK Success tool. The embossing bag doesn’t have a scent.

  6. Thanks so much for this! I have left several black card stocks behind because of the melting into the paper. I use Bazzill now, but like you said, mine is rich black from an older pack. I’m going to try out SSS card stock now.

  7. I have been searching for blackest of black cardstock!!! i also have 2 batches of Bazzil licorice twist,one very black,the other a lighter shade,thankyou,i thought i was mistaken somehow lol.Hero Arts was recommended to me but i havnt been able to get any until now… i intend to stock up asap. Excellent video,i much appreciate your comprehensive comparisons. Have a great weekend!

  8. Thanks for the heads up on the various shades of black cardstock!! In general, I find with embossing thicker fonts it works best to heat them quickly add more powder and heat a second time. Sometimes even three times is needed to fill in and make the letters smooth. I’m not sure if it would work on fine fonts.

  9. Great video. Thank you. Just wonder if it was the stamp itself with the thin line and thick “friends” ???
    Ahhh I didn’t watch long enough.

  10. This is so helpful…I always thought the mottled look was me…now I know what factors to consider, if a smooth, solid look is what I prefer. Thank you! 💛💛💛 One thing I have tried on wider fonts (like the Altenew Stamp in your video trial) is to go over the mottled areas with an embossing pen and sprinkle on more embossing powder and reheat…this will do the trick! But you really can’t use this method on fine line or tiny fonts.

  11. Thank you for those great tips. I must have hero arts black cardstock because I've been searching for a really deep black for years now!Thanks for sharing this video ♥️😊

  12. So 2 things came to mind. One, I’d like to see the friends stamp stamped I’m a colored ink to see if there is pitting there as well. Second, I kept thinking of flouring a cake pan and how you flip the pan around and pat on different sides and wondering if the same thing would apply here to fill on the pits. I’ve never thought of that before but I think it’s worth a try.

  13. Thanks for your comparison of black card stocks and white embossing. The Hero Arts pitch black card is such a deep color – amazing! Would you consider testing different white embossing powders and other company’s embossing pads?

  14. I’ve had really good results with the Brutus Monroe magic powder bag. Not only is it better for you, it seems to me to have much better results at avoiding all those little specks.

  15. I was so happy to see your testing on the various card stocks, Kristina. I've been having issues with the pitting lately and have done some testing myself. A few observations: 1) Earlier tests seem to be crisper. I wonder if that's at least partly because after multiple tries there's residue from the previous embossing powder and anti-static powder on the Versamark pad. Those particles are very fine and seem to build up on all the surfaces — paper, pad, stamps and even the glass mat — over time. An interesting test would be to try a fresh Versamark pad with each stamping or, since that would be costly, to smear a little re-inker on the Versamark pad with each subsequent stamping. 2) I noticed this summer that white heat embossing was definitely more problematical on humid days. I have now put a little desiccant packet (those little sealed packets of silica gel that come in vitamins, medicine bottles, etc.) into each container of embossing powder and it seems to help to keep the powder dry and free from clumps. 3) I consistently had better success by briefly heating (almost just slightly warming) the back of the paper first before heating from the front. I find that hovering the heart gun swiftly and deliberately in circular motions over the top of the paper JUST UNTIL THE POWDER MELTS AND TURNS WHITE gives me the best results. Sorry for the wordiness here, but I wanted to share the results of my own exploration in trying to solve the pitting problem with white heat embossing on black stock. Hope this adds something to the discussion. Keep the suggestions coming!

  16. I would like to see the embossing powder brushed off a little more before you stamp. My hypothesis is that the powder partiicles stay under the embossing powder when it melts. I have the best results when I use the anti-static powder then brush off the excess before I stamp the clear embossing ink.

  17. This was a great video, especially since it corrected some of the not so great "tips" I've been given. One tip I was told was very lightly brush off your embossing powder before heating to get rid of any extra loose powder anywhere, altho you may have to stamp/emboss again. I was also told start heating from the back but it didn't seem to do as well on your test so I'm changing that & doing your way. Also I love the deep dark rich black color from Hero Arts. Altho my budget is Michael's/Joanne's level like previously mentioned, i think I'll splurge on Hero for Halloween.

  18. So interesting to see them all tested and which way worked the best.
    I heard that Bazzill was bought by American crafts and was no where near the weight it used to be nor is the color as rich as it used to be. I was very sorry to hear as Bazzill was always my holy grail. I used to have a huge stock pile of 12 x 12 but I am running low on black, white, navy and red. I’m having a really hard time finding 12 x 12 cardstock to replace the Bazzill.
    Thank you so much for doing all the testing and sharing your results.

  19. Awesome video. Towards the end why does the SSS cardstock look darker than the hero arts one? Wasn't the HA one the deepest in the beginning? Odd

  20. Ultra fine embossing powder works considerably better when using it on lettering, it seems to settle better into the unevenness of card stock. I have a much better success rate using this over standard powder especially when using white on black. Just a suggestion Kristina, maybe you could do a small test off camera to try it for yourself and compare with the test you have just done as this may give you different results. Thanks for the informative videos they are really great.

  21. Fantastic video ! I didn’t think there could be such a huge difference in the black paper shades.

    I always spend hours with a very fine brush to clear a maximum of the little bit of powder I don’t want to see… I am wondering if my friends would notice if I stop doing it 🤨🤣🤣🤣

    Thank you for all this work and all the information.

  22. I have used both a powder tool and a powder bag and have found the bag works so much better at keeping stray embossing powder off my paper every time. Plus the powder tool I have has a “grandma perfume scent” which I find nauseating. The bag has no scent. I use Extra care when embossing White on Black paper. Thank you Kristina for a great video!! You rock!!

  23. Love your testing videos. Helps me to determine where to spend my money the wisest for me. thanks as always for sharing.

  24. Thankyou for doing this test, Kristina. Have never used black card to emboss anything on really, but its good to know all the same.

  25. Thanks for the video. I thought my embossing issues were just me, I always expect it to look perfect. Glad to hear others have same problems. I would love to see one comparing white embossing powders.

  26. Thank you for sharing this comparison. Would you compare other dark colors of card stock – navy, chocolate and red? I use these a lot during the fall and winter holiday season. Thanks!

  27. Thanks for this. Have you ever tried stamping with white pigment ink and using clear embossing powder? I've had good results using that method.

  28. Soooo good, really!! The blk w brand names and close ups were very helpful too!! Grateful for all your work. Thank you:)!! Brutus Monroe for sure:)

  29. Thanks for doing this. I have always thought the problem is my stamping and never considered it might be the paper, the powder, or my heating.

  30. I use Hero Arts Unicorn pigment ink instead of a clear watermark ink on black cardstock. I doubt there’s any better coverage of the embossing powder, but the white ink “hides” the boo boos a little better. 🤷🏻‍♀️
    I dunno. Maybe it’s just me?

  31. Thank you, Kristina, for doing all that work for us! There is a huge difference in the black saturation of the newer Hero Arts cardstock! I was a Stampin’ Up Demonstrator for 10 years, so I still have their various color card stocks in my stash. ( I still love their products so in no way am I bashing S.U.) One thing I’ve always noticed about dark and light cardstock, but especially black is-it fades no matter how carefully you store it -away from light sources, etc., Therefore, if you find one you really love, , like black for Halloween, I would buy no more than I thought I’d use over the next year. You’ve definitely got me over the moon about that new Hero Black! I am a stickler about an intense black and navy cardstock! Thanks for all your hard work and patience! 🌺 Ali K.

  32. This video warms the cockles of my engineer’s heart. LOL Thanks for taking the time to do this evaluation, the tips are helpful.

  33. This was eye opening, thank you. I think the quality of the stamp makes a big difference, also red rubber makes a higher quality, more detailed image.

  34. These are the types of videos that are so useful and fascinating especially since you're seeing the results along with us! Just makes it so personal and real! Thank you!!

  35. I was having trouble with black paper using white embossing and discovered it was the paper. It was a store brand. Once I changed to a name brand the problem disappeared. So I think that can be a factor also. Thanks so much for sharing this video. Very informative.

  36. Such an educational video. Amazing how black yardstick can differ. My youngest loves to stamp on darker colours where I usually use white

  37. Thank you for this test/review video, Kristina! A couple of years ago, I made Christmas ornaments with the Essentials by Ellen "Twelve Days" images. I stamped each image on black cardstock & embossed with white powder. I forget exactly what embossing powder I used, but it stuck all over, despite my using my powder bag! No matter how much cornstarch I put down, the embossing powder stuck even where there was no ink. Thankfully, I was able to brush it off with a tiny paintbrush or pick it off with my piercing tool (in the tighter, more detailed areas). But it took me FOREVER! It was interesting, because I usually don't have quite that much trouble. Also, for anyone with basic sewing skills, you can always make your own powder bag. I bought about 1/8 yard of muslin some years ago (after the sticker shock of pricing a new powder bag at Michael's), for maybe a dollar or 2. I cut it into small rectangles, then stitch the resulting pieces around 3 sides. I fill them with cornstarch using a small measuring spoon, and then just sew the open end shut. Easy peasy, and I have saved so much $$$$. I cut all the fabric down at once, and just put the pieces in a baggie. Whenever the amount of powder in the bags I'm using gets too low, I just sew a few more bags. Only takes maybe 10-15 minutes to do 3 bags (I do it on a sewing machine–if you hand sew, it'll probably take a little longer). Plus, the cornstarch I use had expired for food use, so I am not wasting that, either. Win win! Anyway, just a money-saving tip. Thanks again for this video, & have a wonderful day! 🙂

  38. I wonder if stamping with white pigment ink and then embossing powder would help hide the mottling on the friends stamp?

  39. Kristina, thank you for doing this test. I'm so happy you did this. Im always thinking…what am I doing wrong when embossing? This was is great vid.

  40. I applaud your efforts but there a few variables which affect your results. 1) The amount of time you allow the powder to sit on the paper before dusting off the excess powder. 2) The veracity in which you flick the paper to remove the excess powder and how many times do it. Maybe using a brush would be better instead. 3) The positioning of the phrase to be embossed on the paper. Simply because of the flex of the paper as you flick it can transfer the powder. 4) The stickiness of your stamp pad.  Loved the paper colour comparison.

  41. Great video. Tips I have learned from others and my experiments is the embossing ink makes a difference. Brutus Monroe’s embossing ink gives a crisper even melting of the embossing powders. The antistatic powder can cause bits of powder to move on your cardstock while heating. For tiny words & details use really fine embossing powders.
    For even melting & less to no warping use a foil lined box or cardboard panel great tip from Ardyth Percy-Robb.
    I like WOW! Embossing powders antistatic properties in their jars not powder bag needed. Also don’t move heat tool until powder starts melting to prevent powder from becoming stray melted bits
    I hear Brutus Monroe’s antistatic powder refillable bag is better. Haven’t tried it yet.

  42. Kristina I have Neenah Classic Crest Epic Black and its 130lbs! Its FABULOUS! Thanks for doing this video. I wonder how Neenahs CC would do next to Hero Arts🤔

  43. . . . stamping the 2nd time after heat embossing the first time is what I mean. If it doesn't turn out the first time, emboss twice??

  44. Thanks so much, Kristina – appreciate your research! I have found that often there is a smoother side to cardstock, which takes both ink and embossing powder better. Will have to check my own black c/s.

  45. I like a deep black cs and it is hard to find really good, black-black!  I'll have to go to Hero Arts and see what they have, thanks so much.

  46. Great video, thank you! Since you use a lot of Neenah, I wondered if their black was eliminated on purpose or if you just didn’t happen to have any. I’ve used their black successfully but will definitely buy the Hero Arts and compare.

  47. Thanks so much for such a practical video! These kinds of videos help novice card makers like me save so much time and money. I’ve been wondering about the best black ink for stamping crisp sentiments too- maybe one day you’ll do that for us too. Love all your videos!

  48. Enjoyed your video very much. My white heat embossing seldom comes out like I wish it would and I end up not using because it just doesn't look good! Thanks for the tips!

  49. I'm glad you showed the double stamping as I always stamp two times with the VersaMark on black. That usually gives me the best result.

  50. Good review. Thanks for taking the time to do this. The results are kind of surprising! I’m amazed at the difference in the color black between the companies.

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